Uwe Wanger

© Jan-Michael Böckmann, Kiel-Marketing e.V.

Interview with Uwe Wanger
Cast off & off to new shores

After two decades at the helm of Kiel-Marketing, Managing Director Uwe Wanger is retiring. Hardly anyone has helped shape the image of the city so continuously during this time - through events, new locations, major international formats and a passion for the Kiel.Sailing.City brand. In his farewell interview, he looks back on formative projects, ventures a look into the future and explains how the Sauerland "woll" became a North German "Moin".

Uwe, you grew up in Sauerland, far away from the sea. When did you learn to love the Baltic Sea?

i went to Kiel for the first time with my school class in 1973. We were allowed to visit the Gorch Fock, went to the beach on grey days and got to know the city from a rough but very fascinating side. Even though Kiel looked very different back then - a view of scrap heaps on the east bank, hardly any cafés in the city centre. Nevertheless, I fell in love with Kiel. I found it so fascinating that the Gorch Fock was here, the navy, the beaches on the doorstep! Then there were the stories from my family: two of my uncles were submariners and sailed from Kiel. So I had the feeling early on that this city was part of my DNA. It quickly became clear: if I was going to study, it would be here.

Uwe Wanger neben Schiffsglocke auf der Gorch Fock

When you moved here, was there the proverbial culture shock?

Not really - although my fellow students and I did have communication difficulties at times. When I asked someone: "Where are you coming from?" there was always a lack of understanding. All I wanted to know was where they came from. And my constant "woll" at the end of sentences - the Sauerlander's "gell", so to speak - also caused irritation. (laughs)

Did it take a long time to get the "Moin" in?

No, that's a great thing about the "Moin". The normal Sauerlander can't open his mouth properly either, just like a Schleswig-Holsteiner, so it somehow fitted right from the start.

How did it come about that you became Managing Director of Kiel-Marketing in 2006?

I was looking for a new job after having been self-employed for many years with an advertising and communications marketing agency and most recently founding a management consultancy. However, all future paths there pointed to China - I didn't want that with my children. During a Kieler Woche business trip, I was approached by Michael Zeinert from the Kiel Chamber of Industry and Commerce, who was the interim managing director of Kiel-Marketing e.V. at the time. At first I declined. The next morning I read in the newspaper that the position was difficult to fill. My wife then said: "That's exactly the right thing. Then you can stay in Kiel and don't have to keep travelling the world." I had a lot of experience in business management, marketing, communication and the organisation of large events. There was only one thing I didn't have: sailing experience. But that wasn't crucial. First and foremost, it was about using sailing as a marketing tool for a city and getting the best out of it for the Kiel.Sailing.City brand - and so one of my first measures on the job was to introduce the brand in tourism and city marketing for Kiel.

Uwe Wanger

Would you say that your role as Managing Director has changed over the years?

Yes, significantly. We have grown from around 24 employees to over 60 today - you can no longer take care of every detail. I made sure early on to have qualified division and department heads who work independently. In the beginning, I was very close to all projects, but today it's more about trust, management and handing over responsibility.

Do you find it difficult to let things go?

No. When you see that good work is being done and the right people are in the right place, it makes me rather proud. My management style is deliberately designed so that others can take the lead and I don't always have to be at the front.

Uwe Wanger auf der Gorch Fock

Did you have certain favourite events that you always particularly enjoyed going to?

Yes, football on Saturdays. (laughs) But seriously, I never actually got up in the morning without feeling like going to work. I liked every event in its own way, because what we do here at Kiel-Marketing is incredibly meaningful. We make sure that the people of Kiel can identify with the city and feel at home, and we create reasons for guests to come to Kiel.

Events such as the sea of lights, farmers' market, ice festival and the like?

Exactly. It was clear to me right from the start that event marketing was the right way forward for Kiel. Events have a dual function: they are there for the city society and at the same time make Kiel visible both nationally and internationally. Tourism, city and event marketing are intertwined. We always communicate as a whole - for guests and for local people.

Where have you and your team been particularly successful in boosting the quality of life in the city?

A good example is the boat harbour summer. With it, we have created a new venue and a real nucleus in the city centre - free and outside, accessible to everyone. Students, schoolchildren and anyone who wants to go somewhere in the evening come here. Another example is the sailing camp on the Kiellinie. Despite resistance, a real third place has been created there with catering facilities and later a bathing area. Today, people love to meet here after work - in good or bad weather -, go by, get a fish sandwich, jump into the water, go SUPing, play volleyball or simply sit by the water and watch the children learn to sail. Something has been created on the Kiellinie that is now a natural part of city life. Incidentally, it's also one of my personal favourite places in Kiel. I've even come to love the view of the shipyard cranes. (laughs)

Segelcamp Kiel

Are there any other projects that you are particularly proud of realising?

Yes, two actually. The first is the Ocean Race. It was always important to us to make sailing an experience for people directly on the fjord - in a format that is understandable. Not like Kieler Woche, where the boats sail somewhere outside and you wonder who actually won. That's why we have developed attractive, audience-orientated formats. This also gave rise to the idea of bringing the Ocean Race to Kiel. The boats, the sailors, the presence of Boris Herrmann, the enthusiasm of the people, a huge spectacle on the Kiellinie - that was a real highlight. The success confirmed that Kiel has exactly the right audience for such formats. Incidentally, the Ocean Race was also the reason why I stayed two years longer - I really wanted to finalise it.

Uwe Wanger

And the second project?

I am very proud of the development of Kiel's Christmas markets. It was an extremely long process - it took eight years before we were able to establish a new Christmas market landscape. In the past, the Christmas market in Holstenstraße was not a real attraction - and there was hardly anything going on in the city in winter in terms of tourism. Yet we knew that Christmas market tourism is a huge market. Nevertheless, there was massive resistance: from market vendors, from politicians, from the administration. The idea of a second Christmas market on Rathausplatz was rejected for a long time. But when we were finally able to start, the number of visitors doubled immediately. Suddenly we had an atmospheric market with its own identity - and in the end everyone wanted to be there. Today, we have several Christmas markets in the city and Kiel has the most visited Christmas markets in the north.

The way you're sitting here, but also the way you go about your day-to-day work, you radiate such lightness. How do you maintain this when you have so much to keep track of?

An important point is to have people around you who you can trust completely and who do a good job - that's exactly what I had and still have! When I know that others can take over, I'm more relaxed. Over time, you also realise that you're not the most important person in the world - and that's relieving and contributes to a sense of ease. I also have a stable private environment. My family is my safe harbour.

Speaking of family: what does it mean to you that your wife has accompanied and supported you so intensively over the years?

Without this support, I wouldn't have been able to do the job like this - I'm thinking, for example, of the late-night appointments or the weekends when I was travelling. You can only do all that if you have a partner who is on board. My wife put her own career on the back burner for many years to look after our two children. This support was hugely important. Knowing that you have someone who supports you and understands what this job means is priceless. I am very grateful to her for that.

Uwe Wanger mit seiner Frau

© Jan-Michael Böckmann, Kiel-Marketing e.V.

Let's take a look towards retirement. Is there anything you would like to pass on to your successor Johannes?

My most important piece of advice is to keep things relaxed. Don't tense up. Burn for things, show attitude and also fight against resistance. There is always opposition anyway. You can't always just be diplomatic, you have to stand up for something and show it. That's important, especially as an interface between the public, business, politics and administration.

You have never missed the opportunity to take part in events such as the Business Run, the Lighthouse Swim or even the Anbaden and have proven how fit you are every time. Do you think you will continue to take part in such adventurous and sporting events in the future?

Let me put it this way: when you do a job like I do, you have to lead the way. I can't expect anything from trainees or employees that I'm not prepared to do myself. This became particularly clear when we went swimming: everyone was shivering and could probably have imagined better things than jumping into the ice-cold water. As managing director, it's part of the job to join in and lead the way. I'll probably still be there this year, but I'm not so sure about next year. (laughs)

Uwe Wanger beim Anbaden

So I'd rather do things that are less cold! Do you have any hobbies that you would like to focus on again in retirement?

I play tennis regularly, but I neglected golf for a long time because it was very time-consuming. But now I want to get back into it. I've already made an appointment to get back into it properly in the spring - as soon as I get back from my holiday trip.

Where are we going?

We're travelling to China, among other places. I've been there several times both professionally and privately, but my wife has never been. Now we're deliberately taking the time to get to know the country together - with a short round trip. Kiel's neighbouring city of Qingdao is of course on the itinerary and we are visiting friends there. It has always been important to me to maintain contact with China, regardless of the changing political attitudes. Our Chinese partners are still very grateful to us today that we, together with the Kiel Yacht Club, helped them to prepare for the Olympic Games in terms of sailing.

Not to forget: the valuable exchange of our international young sailing talent.

That's right. We have already enabled children from Kiel to take part in a Sailing Week over there several times. And vice versa: in May, six children from China will be coming to sail with us again. These are lasting experiences and insights for the children, which are very important for finding their way in an internationally diverse world today. I therefore very much hope that these relationships will continue in the future.

Segelkids in Qingdao

Let me summarise: You are about to embark on an exciting journey, but at the same time you will be saying goodbye at the end of January. What prevails at the moment: joy or melancholy?

The melancholy will certainly come, I'm sure of that. But at the moment, I'm looking forward to what's to come - and the feeling of satisfaction when I look back on the last few years. After their work is done, architects can look back on their buildings, which will then stand for many years - with my marketing activities, that is of course difficult. And yet I'm already getting a lot of encouragement and can say for myself: a lot has already happened here in the city through Kiel-Marketing that will remain.

One last question: do you find the word "retirement" as misleading as I do? For the life of me, I can't imagine that things will be quiet for you now.

No, I don't think so either! When you're used to having at least five appointments every day, retirement certainly feels strange at first. And yet I want to try to make a conscious effort to allow myself more time for things I've neglected so far and maybe even sleep in from time to time. As a trained designer, my creativity won't leave me so quickly when it comes to organising my future daily routine.

Quick question and answer session

Early riser or late riser?

In between.

Optimist or realist?

Optimist.

Kiel in three words?

Simply brilliant. (Typically North German - why three words when you can say it in two?)

Cook for yourself or go out to eat?

Both. I love to cook.

Favourite restaurant in Kiel?

Ristorante Italiano in Molfsee.

Order or creative chaos?

Creative chaos.

Risk or security?

Risk.

Best family moment?

The birth of my children.

The interview was conducted by Finja Thiede.